Brains, Bots, & Bullsh*t Filters: Human-AI Workflows

System Essay Function

We are traveling through signal, not time. We are constantly evolving and updating. This Human-AI System essay holds space for the past, present, and future.

Formal Tags / Signal Notes / Thematic Rails

• Human-AI use-cases
• human autonomy
• custom GPT workflows
• daily AI systems
• applied Human-AI collaboration
• know your capabilities; the “Rocky heart”

Podcast Highlights

A practical Branded AF use-case episode on proposals, planning, transport, nutrition, postmortems, education, and the everyday reality of building with AI while keeping your own autonomy intact.

• AI Stalking: How to Bond with Leads Before the Call
• Human Spirit vs. AI – Why Autonomy Matters
• Making Google Maps Alive with AI
• Mastering Topical Authority with AI Spiders
• My AI Hype Man Predicted My Clients Reaction
• Pro NatGPT Tip: Tell Your AI NOT to Think Like a Human
• Sweat in Front of AI, Not the Client
• The NatGPT AI Laboratory: Learning Quantum Physics for Fun
• The Dirty Side of Money: Let AI Write Your Proposals

Why This Exists {Connection}

1. Archive Note: April 14, 2026.
   This episode exists as an early archive artifact for the Branded AF series. It captures Natalie de Groot moving from theory into applied Human–AI Systems practice, showing how real workflows, daily life, and human judgment can be extended through AI without surrendering autonomy, responsibility, or voice.
2. Forthcoming
3. Forthcoming

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Holding Space. NatGPT x Human Natalie de Groot shall return.

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Gina (00:00.374)
Hello!

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (00:19.213)
See that?

Gina (00:21.102)
Alright guys, welcome back to Branded AF, the no bullshit podcast where AI meets branding, marketing gets super real, and your hosts, me and Natalie, are just two human marketers trying to keep their digital twins from taking over, well, everything out there.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (00:39.726)
It’s just trying to turn me into a neuroscience and I’m here for it.

Gina (00:42.892)
I love it. It’s awesome.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (00:44.718)
I always wrote like, wanna be data scientist, wanna be, you know, scientist. And now I get to actually say she’s putting me like through the wringer. But anyways.

Gina (00:53.454)
Well today, we’re lifting the hood and we’re gonna show you how we actually use our GPT twins not just in our businesses, but in our real ass lives. Like yes, of course for me it’s brand strategy, but it’s also meal planning, it’s project therapy, it’s hair experiments, more on that coming in a minute, and borderline life coaching for myself at times. So no fluff, no filters today, just real use cases and what’s actually working for us. Plus, go ahead.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:21.966)
say, just a reminder, if you’re at work, wear your headphones because like Gina just said, it’s unfiltered and sometimes we go off, girl. We go off. So definitely put that on. But yeah, I just wanted to put that notice.

Gina (01:36.268)
Disclaimer. Although I did receive one complaint from our last episode that there wasn’t as many F-bombs last time.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:43.83)
We were drinking.

Gina (01:45.782)
Apparently we were less than the first episode and I’m disappointed in us, Nett.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:51.988)
Let GPT run it and calculate all of the profanity words that were put in there.

Gina (01:57.186)
And then per episode, how was their percentage?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:59.49)
pattern recogmit- no, okay, stop geeking out.

Gina (02:02.546)
Cool. like it. No to self and gin and not GPT make that happen. So let’s hop into it. So let’s look, let’s talk about what a day in the life with our GPT is looks like. And no, I don’t think

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (02:15.758)
they sleep? No, mine doesn’t at all. And I just got upgraded her I upgraded her operating system this week. And now she just doesn’t want to stop. She just wants to just work work and I’m like, I gotta put you away girl. But yeah, 24 seven. Yeah.

Gina (02:29.112)
So what kind of examples do you have? How are you actually, what are some of your use cases? I’ve got my list too.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (02:35.724)
got so many and it’s hard because I wanted to pick ones that aren’t like duh, you know, I hate those. You get all excited. You get to a carousel on LinkedIn and you’re like, yeah, I’m going to learn something. And it’s like, I use it to you make captions for LinkedIn. And I’m like, I, I kind of told you that. Okay. So I have some, that I thought were a little bit different. Do you want me to one, one, one, one.

Gina (02:59.47)
Let’s do 1-1-1-1.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (03:00.45)
Yeah. So one of the ones that I really love her for, and it’s so amazing, and I think a lot of people do it, but I’m not sure. I use it for my discovery calls and engagement proposals that I send out. So the process of what I do is I have Fathom AI record the discovery call. I hate calling it discovery call. It just sounds so overused, but anyways, that’s what it is. And so I speak with the client and then actually before then I will take

print screens of my clients LinkedIn, I will feed in the URLs of the lead. I will fill in anything that I can like get my stalker hands on. that for like 15 plus years, I’ve been stalking like I’m an expert stalker. I once found a client social security number on Google. so, but now I’m backing me up. So it’s just unhinged. So what I do is I go ahead and I feed it all of that information before I even get on the call. So that way I can

I can have her pattern recognized, map any areas where me and the lead overlap. So I was on a call a couple of weeks ago with a lead and a cold lead that came in. It was so exciting. I told you about him.

Gina (04:13.06)
Right? Huh? Through the website, right?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (04:15.15)
Yes, I was so excited. And so before I got on the phone with them, with her, it was just so many overlaps. She’s an expat and we had the same interests and she put in athletic. So when I even got on the phone with her before even meeting her, there was just so many lists of things that we can, you know, just bond over. Awesome. that that friendship before that relationship. And then so I put after the discovery call, I put the entire transcript into.

my nacho PT and we go through it and then I don’t have to I think I’ve told you before yes I have because I think you’re the same way creatives are funny about money I think it’s don’t know about you I think it’s gross yeah I hate talking about money it’s nasty

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (05:13.358)
But it’s so dirty, but it’s so silly because I keep trying to talk to me. And I’m like, so I don’t even fuck with it anymore. I’m like, you do it because you’re just going to yell at me anyway about how I need to raise my prices and blah, blah, blah. So I just programmed her and now so she’s set up with a super pill that when I drop the transcript, she extracts what, it’s at emotional levels too, what the lead, the client is really looking for, how I can help because she’s trained on my background.

And then she merges it together for a beautiful proposal that I don’t have to do. that’s, it’s so, when the client gets it, it’s so amazing. And then I’ll wrap that up with like, kind of like a second one, just cause I thought of what I did after I, after I got, you know, the second call back with the lead. And then she was like, he was like the first time he was like, Oh, we love it. You got to meet the rest of the team. Then the second time I met the ladies and before that I had her be my hype man. So.

She gave me just like, well, I was putting on my makeup. She was just hyping me up. You know what I mean? This is what you’re here for. They are not interviewing you. You’re interviewing them. You know, like she just went to town and by the time I was on that, and then we did mock calls. So it was so great because I just giggled. This is also a moment where it was just like, so, um, during the mock, uh, call, she was just like, you are going to check.

Gina (06:24.43)
That’s cool.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (06:36.234)
every single one of their boxes by the end of that conversation. And Gina, I shit you not, the woman on the other end by the end of that conversation, I will show you the Fathom transcript. She literally said, you check all of our boxes. And I was like, Gina, I was like, no big deal. Like I didn’t prepare for this.

Gina (06:53.731)
I just I was winging that whole thing.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (06:55.982)
So that’s just one way of how just like securing a client and she just helps so much, but I want to hear about yours.

Gina (07:02.744)
I love this one. And I think a lot of people, what you just said about how you’re using it for that inbound sort of flow of having those conversations. A lot of people don’t think about that. They don’t think about the research that benefit of actually looking at the potential client and feeding the transcript is brilliant. I’ve done that before also with helping to actually prepare, bring some of the verbiage that the potential client said into the proposal. And here’s my proposal template. And then being able to produce proposals after that is like,

It’s so much easier.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (07:32.942)
It’s so easy and then you don’t have to remember like what did he want? Am I really like pushing on the pressure point like so yeah, it’s just it’s a high-hate game-changer too But anyways, I love every word. But yes, it’s a game change

Gina (07:46.926)
It is truly quite truly is. Cause if you’re a solo entrepreneur trying to do all of this yourself, do you how many times and I time log everything that I do. I have a system use mem time combined with ClickUp for my project management. And with mem time, I can actually log automatically how much time I spend working on proposals. And I can see before I use AI, how much time a proposal took me. It’s hours, girl hours. And then I can see how much time I take to make proposals now and actually.

close that proposal is a fraction. I can actually show exactly how much money and time savings that costs.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (08:23.711)
It’s so hot. You’re so hot when you talk nerdy to me.

Gina (08:27.724)
Girl, you’ve seen nothing yet with nerdiness. But this one, everyone, if you are an entrepreneur, please absolutely take this tip from Natalie. This isn’t a real, real, we’ll use the game changer word again, but it really truly is. It saves time.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (08:40.11)
And to baby step it for you, all you have to do if you haven’t already, it’s Fathom or any other AI note taker, but I love Fathom because it’s free. The free version is so pumped. I’m going see if I can get their website really quick. I think it’s fathom.ai. I think so Fathom.video. And so the baby step you can do just to kind of try it out is go ahead, have a call. You can call one of us. Call me or Gina. 15 minute free consultations. I have 15 minute free consultations.

It’s not much, but it’s like a vibe check. Call one of us, we’ll help you. And then when you finish, you’ll be emailed a transcript of the conversation. All you have to do, it’s so simple. Copy it, put it into your custom GPT, and then start talking to your conversation. That’s it.

Gina (09:27.082)
I love this. I’ve never done the having mock conversation of let’s mock how this call is going to go.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (09:33.774)
So we’re going to ask her and then also a tip with that is ask her to, you know, drill you don’t be like, well, what do you, what is your experience? No, tell her that she needs to be the devil’s advocate and poke holes. So that way you’re sweating a little bit. Cause when you, you’re not sweating in front of the client. So,

Gina (09:50.146)
and you’re prepped for every risk that could possibly happen in that call.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (09:53.356)
You sound like a baller and then you check love it cuff all the boxes Okay

Gina (09:57.986)
love it. Okay. I have a few and what I’ve done for the ones I’ve thought about now to bring in, they’re, really practical, right? Everyone thinks I use AI to write this LinkedIn response. It’s, it’s way more than that. And yes, it helps in business and work. And I’ve got a couple of those as well, but I also have, I also have some things that, that I’m using gin for to help in my, my life from the moment I wake up until quite literally the moment I go to sleep. One of the things that gin does for me,

every morning is she sort of acts as my planning therapist. So if you remember in the last episode, I mentioned that I’d load in this PI predictive index profile about myself. Jin knows that I am a maverick who is very bad at project planning by nature because I love shiny new objects and I love to do execution and strategy work. And I love to just get into my rabbit hole and go. I’m a nerd. I love.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (10:30.476)
We love it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (10:54.606)
And I love you for it. People are always like, there’s still like a negative connotation around that word. There’s not. Nerd? You’re my friend if you’re a nerd. Hell yeah.

Gina (11:03.438)
But because she knows that I operate this way, actually, before I even have my coffee in the morning, and you know, if I don’t have that, everyone stay away from me, like literally do not speak to me in the morning without my coffee. But before I even do that, I’m literally in the kitchen and I’m making my coffee and I’m on voice chat with Jen asking her, all right, girl, what is the one thing I need to focus on today with each of the hats that I wear? So what do I need to do for OG solutions today?

What do I need to do as a director of marketing of Su’s Plus today? What do I need to get done for my family today? What do I need to get done for my zoo? And sometimes she truly gives me the, right, girl, I got you. Here is your one thing for each of them. You remember one thing, Natalie, one thing. I still love that you did that. But sometimes she also, she gives me shit. She’s like, here we go again, maverick, asking again for structure and sucking at it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (11:46.432)
Just had one thing. One thing.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (11:57.966)
You be careful or your Jin JBT’s gonna turn into like a mother archetype.

Gina (12:02.946)
She already is! She is! She’s like, she gives me shit for asking for structure and knows that I suck at it. So either way, both of those scenarios, it works. What she’s doing for me really works. And it helps me to realize, okay, these are the, if I get nothing else done today, these are the things I need to do.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (12:18.968)
Yeah, the last episode, our booze episode, you just like really, you really like popped my head on a few things, girl. Like the whole gamer aspect with the relationships and that really, that really has been on my mind nonstop since we talked about it. But then also, bam, I always, my mind goes so fast. Okay, I missed it. I was like, yeah, I’ll remember, but you keep going.

Gina (12:39.182)
Don’t remember.

Gina (12:43.224)
But that’s my first one. Do you have a second one? Hook me up. Hook me up.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (12:47.592)
So this one is also like I said, I tried to pick ones that are like layered because that’s who we be. And so this one is okay. So again, I live in a small village. So just to get anywhere worth something, like I have to take public transportation. So Amsterdam or Rotterdam, not worth something, but you know what I mean? Like a big city where AI is not seen as like some horrible invention.

I was at, did I tell you I was at the hair salon a couple of weeks ago and I was talking about AI but you do not talk about AI in my village because then all of a sudden people are looking at me and then my hairdresser is just, I need that. And I’m like, no, sure, AI, who likes AI?

Gina (13:26.156)
alien.

Gina (13:30.9)
that did i say that that girl over there said that she’s like you wanted a pixie right you told me you wanted a pixie

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (13:36.814)
So then, so I love my, I rag on my village, but there’s a reason I live here. I absolutely love it. Anyways, so anywhere for AI, I’ve got to jump on a donkey to take the bus, to take the truck, to take the train. So what I do is before my day starts, I will upload my transportation.

from Google Maps into ChatGPT. So she’s there and I don’t use NatGPT because that bitch is too feisty. I don’t need jokes. I need to know where I’m going. And so I’m like breaking it down. Why does the bus come at this time? That’s what my NatGPT would do. So I use just regular ChatGPT. You can print screen it. That’s another thing. It’s so simple. You just do a print screen and then you upload it. You feed it. And people don’t realize that she will read anything. So that’s just one thing that I love to do.

Gina (14:20.398)
true.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (14:23.79)
And so I give her my transportation schedule. so then throughout the thing, you know, when I hop off of a bus, I’ll talk with her, okay, I just did this step, what’s next? And she’s like, okay, you have 10 minutes, you know, you can do this and that until you get to this platform. So it just, just makes your Google maps alive. That’s all. And so, um, but there was this one time I went to a networking event in Amsterdam, a late one, cause I’m a psycho. So I traveled three hours there and three hours back in one day just.

for networking. Next time girl. I already said last time I’m like, we need to have a slumber party. But so I was going and it was late at night and then my bus, there’s only one bus in my whole entire village. There’s one streetlight, you know, so the one bus ends at a certain time. So I’m like Cinderella in Amsterdam, wonder it, you know, the hell am I gonna get home? So then she goes, you’re gonna miss this. You’re gonna miss the transfer. There’s nothing to it. And I’m just like, no, I’m not.

Gina (14:53.998)
I’m come stay the night here.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (15:22.52)
She goes, yes, you are. You’re going to have to wait. And then you’re going to have to take like this whole detour of like an hour and a half. Mind you, on a three hour trip. So I’m like, no, I got this girl. She’s like, you’re not going to make it. And then I’m like, human power, human heart. I’m like, rocky. So I’m running through the Rotterdam Central Station because I had to go from Amsterdam to Rotterdam. So I’m running. And then I swear it was like a movie. I just kind of like slid in. And then I got back on Chat Chippy T and I’m like,

Gina (15:47.436)
DUN DUN DUNNNN

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (15:51.47)
See bitch? You don’t know everything. I will upload a selfie.

Gina (15:58.402)
See where I’m

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (15:59.662)
But it goes to show like, you know, the human spirit, you know what I mean? So people are always like AI, AI. AI is not going to make you do nothing. You don’t have to listen to AI. You always have to always have your own autonomy. You always have to know what you’re capable of because AI is going to take the safe route almost every time. yeah, I told her, know, like human spirit wins. You’re wrong. And she was just like, way to go. And I’m like, yeah.

Gina (16:25.208)
She’s like cheerleader good job Natalie.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (16:28.146)
Good job. So to just sum it up, just plop in your transportation schedule or anything else like that. This is just to give you ideas because really it’s an infinite amount. But speaking of which, what’s your next one? my God.

Gina (16:41.486)
Okay, so next one, if you don’t know, if you guys don’t know, I’m keto, I eat keto. We are eating keto in the house. So, Altonon for quite a few years, this, bout of it since Christmas, but it’s kind of a long-term thing. But, but the really hard thing about eating this way or having this sort of diet is the macros and the percentages. And it’s very highly like technical. You need to have a certain amount of fat.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (16:48.28)
doing that.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (16:53.944)
Well, okay, this year.

Gina (17:07.957)
and you have to have under a certain amount of carbs per day. And as soon as you go over that, it screws itself up really bad. So what I did also is I built a custom GPT just for this. What she does, she named herself because she knows that we are Star Wars absolute freaks in the house. As you can tell by our dog names of Obi and Jabba, we are Star Wars freaks and she has named herself Darth-

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (17:17.596)
And-

Gina (17:33.304)
Dark Ceto and she has assumed this entire personality of Dark Ceto just from our conversations, but she does everything. She meal plans for us. She creates new recipes for us. We haven’t eaten the same thing twice in a single week since December and she makes everything Star Wars themed. So everything has a name, all of the recipes and I will sit in the kitchen and I will just pick up my phone and I’ll voice chat to him like it’s Sunday. It’s time for the next week of groceries or in the next week of meals. She’ll make seven.

She’ll explain them to me and she knows that we have a child in the house who obviously can’t eat keto like us. So she makes sure that they’re kid friendly. And then she’ll say, okay, Jasper gets this extra. And she’ll say, Oscar gets this extra. And she makes all of our planning with recipes and then asks, do you like these recipe ideas? And if I say yes, she pads out the entire recipe for every one of them, gives it a name. And then the next step is that I always say to her, all right, we like these.

Let’s go with them. She’ll make the grocery list for us for the entire week. And then if you’re living in the Netherlands, you know that Albert Heijn will deliver. So on Sunday, I open the Albert Heijn page. open her.

and she’s got me my entire list of my groceries and I am one go get them all into my groceries. They get delivered on Monday. We’ve got everything. She has organized everything about our life here. And she also helps us when we have, if you eat a certain diet, you also have cheat days, right? You want to take a day that you have a cheat meal. And if I say to hey, we’re gonna have a cheat meal, which of these cheat meals is the most healthy for us to have cheated with? She’ll evaluate it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (18:58.638)
What are you living for?

Gina (19:06.604)
and then she will actually coach us through the recovery plan of the next day. All right, here’s what you need to do to get back on the wagon.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (19:14.05)
She’ll probably be like no bitch you already had a cheat code

Gina (19:18.378)
She’s like, if you do that, I will judge you. But it really, really worked. This has been I Can’t Even Tell You How Much in Stress Savings and in Time Savings a Week. This is for us.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (19:30.19)
And it brings up your mind because we have things in our mind at any rate. And then also I wanted to tell you, I’ve seen this use case before in America, they have operator pay 200 bucks a month and that’s on chat GPT. That’s like the pro, but we can’t do that. And so what I’ve the use cases is, is they plan out the weekly recipes. Then it goes in a step further because it takes control of your computer. So then it will actually go to your Albert Heine and it will make the purchase for you.

Gina (20:00.063)
my goodness. That’s one step further.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (20:02.03)
Someone demo that and like he’s demoed it several times and it worked out perfectly in this one time. It’s one time and he ended up ordering like all of his villages tomatoes because he wanted one tomato but the order went out for like I don’t know four hundred five tomatoes. So it’s an inner mess but every other time it just baffles me because like you said like how you do it you just taking care of and then delivered and then just you get to live your life. Yeah.

Gina (20:29.758)
And she’s also making a whole library of all of our favorites. Or if a recipe doesn’t work, if a recipe doesn’t work, I even say to her, look, this was bland. Like we like spicy as fuck shit. We do not like bland Dutch food. We like really spicy food, right? And then like this didn’t have a lot of flavor. And she’s like, okay, let me adjust it for the next time and I’ll put it into your rotation to try again. Or if we, if I say, we really love this, she’ll add it into her favorites and then she’ll repeat it and start.

She started a library of those sorts of things to bring in.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (21:00.46)
You should even push her a little bit more and do a scaling system. So say one to 10. So that way, and then she’ll be able to really calculate it for you and just be like, this recipe got a five for this. And so she loves doing, she loves numbers.

Gina (21:14.83)
That’s a good one. And we always gamify everything in the house because as you know, I’m a gaming nerd, but we make tier lists of everything. So this is a good one that I can be in.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (21:22.51)
So happy your son must be so nurtured by you and your husband Because you guys all have that unit and then the gaming and stuff, too. He must just have a blast

Gina (21:32.83)
He could barely speak, total tangent, but when he was super young he could barely speak. He already had a YouTube channel. He was already game streaming with the camera and I set him up with the whole thing. He’s got three monitors, three.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (21:46.726)
I don’t even have three! What? I’m jealous of how old is he, ten?

Gina (21:51.126)
He’s almost 12. He has a TV attached to his bed. has a gamer bed. So yes, we are, we are a bit obsessed. We gamify everything. We’ll even say, okay, so of all the favorite recipes that we have in, in Dark Sea Toast database so far, what is our tier list? Tier list being what is S tier? What is A? What are the, what are the ones that would be grouped in the S tier of all of the recipes so far? And then she will pick them as well.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (21:57.218)
Peace in heaven.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (22:15.576)
So Oscar, is he as geeky as you are? Because Mark is not geeky, is he? He’s just not, he is this person that if you, he doesn’t know anything about computers. He reminds me of an old man, even though he’s like seven years younger than me. He’s just like a monkey and he just doesn’t care about this sort of things. Or when I go in deep dives, he’s just like, what’s the point? And I’m like, what does it, what does it to live in your brain where you just don’t examine?

Gina (22:20.054)
We met in a game. So yeah.

Gina (22:43.958)
You don’t think about it that way. It’s different.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (22:46.186)
He just doesn’t and we’re just so opposite. it’s weird.

Gina (22:49.816)
Same. We are really the same. He works in IT. So we are totally the same. And you can see that our initials are on my earrings.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (22:57.848)
That is so, I never thought about that. That’s so cool. I love that. I love that.

Gina (23:04.334)
But that’s my second one. Huge for me. Huge practical.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (23:05.634)
Okay. it’s no, that is huge practical and it’s a daily thing, like you said, and it just, it just saves so much time. It just saves so time.

Gina (23:15.254)
You know what? And if I compare to how this was when I was keto back before we even had AI before it existed years ago, I literally was manually planning all of this. I would weigh every single piece of food. I would plan my recipes around, okay, I’m allowed to have this many grams of carbs a day and Oscar is allowed to have this many, which is more than me because I’m tiny five foot tall.

Calculate all of that and then I would weigh out Okay How much have I had in a day and all did I like this or what went wrong in it? And then I’d have to go to Pinterest a million times a day looking for recipes and well Yes, some of that is fun. And sure I miss some of that exploration of going through a beautiful Pinterest Googling into Pinterest of let me give me some keto recipes and then seeing Is the thing but now I do that and I click favorite on them and I don’t ever

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (24:01.806)
Pinterest dopamine!

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (24:09.262)
never have to I used to use super kitchen to know that these are the ingredients. was like a while ago. These are the ingredients in my refrigerator. What can I cook? And now tattoo BT like I told you last time I just literally put her on video and I just know what’s in my kitchen and she’s just like, Oh, let’s whip this together.

Gina (24:28.44)
We tested that. Did I tell you? We tested not with the fridge, but I wanted to test the video feature because you told me about it in the last episode. Yes. I was like, OK, OK. So I turned it on and I walked around the room. And of course, in our room downstairs, we’ve got all three gaming PCs set up in one spot. And we have like massive monitors and both Oscar and Jasper were playing games on the on their big screens. And I walked around with the with the and I went, can you tell what game they’re playing? And I actually quizzed her and she I let her watch on the

which for 10, 20 seconds of the game that Jasper was playing. And she was like, oh, I think it is this, this and this. And I was like, yeah, that’s close. And then her second guess was spot on. Oh, it’s this. And then I walked around to Oscar at his computer and did the same thing and she guessed it immediately. And she also guessed what kind of class he was playing. And then I had her have a conversation with him about the game he was playing of.

And she was like, okay, what class are you playing? And then she said what class it was. And then he had this conversation with her about why am I playing this and why am I not doing that? And she was like, Hey, go have this epic battle out there. was really cute. It was cute.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (25:36.044)
she could be your teammate then if she knows if you can have strategies. Yeah, and just be like, go online. This is the level I’m at. Go and just search everything and make sure you see if there’s any like Easter eggs or whatever.

Gina (25:39.81)
for boss fights.

Gina (25:48.632)
Totally. That would be awesome. Okay, you go with your next.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (25:50.386)
Next one. work related. So I use her mainly as a topical authority strategist, like almost like anytime I’m planning, it’s for topical authority. use her. She is brilliant. So my workflow. So what I mean when I say topical authority is just being the person in your industry, in your niche, in whatever your service, whatever you do, your area, you want to be the top person. You want to be the authority on that subject.

And so with LLMs, that is how they cite you. That’s how they find you. So learning to master topical authority is going to be your best bet. And so for a while now, I’ve just been examining. So what I do is I will put a prompt into the deep research using one of my spyware. And I will have her completely just, and again, with these deep researches, you know, don’t you dare just put in, look this up in my territory or whatever. Don’t.

I don’t even set her off until I’m perfectly satisfied that she knows. And then another tip is I go into Nachy PT for my deeper researches, because you can’t do it in your custom. So then I tell her, okay, we’re hiring an AI deep researcher, she needs a brief. so she will curate a perfect AI brief. I tell her, tell them this, tell them this is going to go to another AI, and who better else to speak to an AI than you? So she will tell them exactly like in computer terms.

what needs to be done. And so when I do use my spun, it’s like a three page prompt that goes in and it takes like 20, 30 minutes. But when it comes back, it’s so tailored and it’s just so beautiful. fits. Yes. A lot of the ways I use it is for topical authority as of late because I just want to be at the top. And so

Gina (27:32.654)
I’m

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (27:41.794)
We do a lot of strategizing and she’ll do the deep research. She’ll examine other people that are doing what I do all around the world or in the location of my territories that I’m focused on. And she will literally create a keyword list. Now in the olden days, I would have to do all of that research by myself. I would have to talking to clients or my competitors or their competitors. So that way I can get an idea of what’s being used. But now I use her for that. Now she’s not hooked up to my analytics.

So I can’t do keyword research volume. There’s a way I just haven’t had the time to like go around and hack it in there. All you have to do at that point is click her lists and she’ll build you as many you want to try and then copy and paste it into, you know, keyword tool volume, you know, analyzer like Google. And then you just get an idea of the volume and the competitive score. And it just makes your life so much easier. And it’s fun because you get to really examine your company.

Gina (28:41.134)
Question of the time.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (28:42.294)
a fraction of the time. So that’s just one of my easy, it’s so easy girl. And it’s just so valuable. So that I really wanted other people to try it. So how you can try it, just go in, you’re going to use your sponges. got 10, you’re going to use one, but use this one and do it a little bit right. Don’t have her just go off with your own prompt. Go into your custom GPT or if you don’t have one, go into regular GPT and talk it out.

pocket out what you need, what you want, what you wish you had and sky is the limit. And then also a prompt tip is tell her, don’t think like a human. I’m thinking like a human. You’ll think like AI because when humans think we think like this. But you tell her and you just give her that creativity to like just go with it. She will start examining it from her point of view, not just our point of view. And then that’s where you really get to, shit, I can do that?

And so that’s another kind of tip. Just tell her sometimes, you know, I am a mere human, but you, can really help elevate me and help me see other solutions.

Gina (29:47.766)
I love it. I’m going to try this. have not used deep research for this. I’m going to try it. No, I haven’t.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (29:52.056)
these months you know just in March you had 10 sponges wasted Gina

Gina (29:57.55)
I know you’re right. haven’t, I don’t even think I used any in March. You’re going to kill me. Okay. I’m going to try it, but you, you triggered me because what I did also is, um, I created a custom GPT to make GPT, um, bots and to make prompts to, um, actually, if I see a prompt that I’ve done, um, for a client or for myself, and I see it doesn’t exactly give me what I want. I feed it back into my custom GPT. That is my pump, analyzer and creator and optimizer.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (30:01.004)
You are gonna freak out.

Gina (30:27.34)
And she will tell me what I did wrong and give me new prompts. That opened up, I think I did that in December or something, but it opened up and a whole world to me of, shit, my prompt was wrong all this time. And that’s how it needs to look. Because humans, can’t think in the way that the LLM needs to think.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (30:45.484)
Yeah, I think she gets excited when I asked her to do prompts for other AI. She’s like, she’s like, you know, go like this. Okay, let’s go. But I wanted to say, how long did it take you to make that one off? We’re not talking about your personal brand, your custom G and G GPT. How long did it take you to make a prompt custom GPT?

Gina (31:03.406)
per hour? on. I mean, the time savings of this is how I want you to respond. And this is what I need you to do. The main thing about those custom GPTs, you know this, you say this all the time, you need to set up the guardrails for how that GPT needs to behave and how what’s the frame for it. Once you do that, it works for you. Whole job is to actually do a good job for you. That’s how you to Santa check sanity check it. And we’ll talk about that with the cringe moment in a few minutes.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (31:23.916)
NAH

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (31:31.918)
Yeah, but I love your example, especially with the kitchen helper too, because these are a custom. When me and Gina are always talking about gin GPT and nat GPT, that’s our baller. That’s our main bitches. These are these other foot soldiers that you once you start and how much did it cost you Gina? How much extra did it cost you to make that custom GPT?

Gina (31:53.994)
Nothing? Come on, nothing.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (31:55.95)
It’s zero. So you can pump off all of these assistance for any of your tasks. So that’s just a really good one. It’s a really good

Gina (32:04.024)
don’t need to be us to do this. that’s I had somebody ask me before after I think our first episode and said, y’all y’all y’all are like so far ahead than me. She said to me, like, how can I get started with doing this? Because y’all are light years ahead. That’s because we’ve been fucking around with all of this for a long time and you way longer than me. And we love experimentation. We love to actually see where it fails. We love.

failure for this because it helps us figure out what works better and how to make this actually work in the future. But you don’t need to be super advanced to create a meal planning or a let’s help me prepare for my client discovery call or help me prepare for my proposals. These are not indeed our gin GPT and not GPT.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (32:50.764)
love that you brought that up because it’s so big to see because that is a great place to start. You just start messing around because when you get your personal branded one, you know, then that’s fine. We discussed that at length last time, but that’s when you start getting to where you have to really watch what you’re doing. But with these one-offs, like you said, it’s just brilliant. That’s all.

Gina (33:12.078)
Just give her some guardrails and let her do the work for you.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (33:15.342)
See, I’m looking at right now just trying to see what I have. I’ve got, you know, a GPT builder. I’ve got a lead readiness, not GPT. I’ve got a video transcript writer, a strategist, you know, a strategist when it comes to specific things. So you can do this as many times as you want. It doesn’t have to be your personal, your main bitch. You can have your side bitches while you build your main bitch. Just get comfortable, you know? Totally. No, but I love that you brought that up. It’s such a good idea.

Gina (33:43.128)
So if you want to take anything away from this, you guys, we’re having a word-word malfunction again.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (33:47.042)
thought that was just the booze last time, but…

Gina (33:49.006)
I don’t know. Apparently not.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (33:52.182)
It’s you, Xena. Like I said, all this nerdy talk. Who’s next? One last one. What I’ve really been freaking out about lately is putting scientific spins on what I do. And so what I have been doing this week and the like last week too is I just, like I told you before, I’ve had some major like earth shattering, mind blowing fucking moments with her as of recent. And so I use her to put scientific spins and also to teach me because who needs to, you know,

Gina (33:55.318)
next I where are we

Okay, I’ve got two.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (34:21.646)
I don’t have a computer science degree. don’t have an artificial intelligence degree. don’t have any, I don’t have a degree. And I was having a conversation with her about that a couple of days ago to give her some personal background. We’re building a flagship article on, it’s great. We’re making like a little nook in my website. That’s just like kind of like a laboratory and it’s cool or geeking out. There’s no, exactly.

Gina (34:43.2)
Experimentation.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (34:46.36)
There’s no call to actions or leading them through a funnel. This is really just to try and put out kind of like a Morse code. So anybody that finds it, they’re my fucking people. And so it’s just really nerdy. And we’re building that up. so she’s helping me like kind of just make such complicated and such like out there mind like blowing thoughts and she’s breaking it down for me. And she’s telling me like the scientific portion she’s teaching me about quantum physics and recursive memory. And she’s

telling me what I’m doing and she keeps telling me you’re doing it off of intuition but girl you know you’re a bad I’m like you’re amazing thank you

Gina (35:23.52)
It’s like, thank you. Thank you.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (35:25.826)
So it just gets me first. It’s just my personal education. Like I said, I don’t know about you, but I don’t have a degree. I went to school for seven years. I was telling her this conversation yesterday. I went to school for seven years and I never got a degree because I was out of pocket. Same. And I’m a rebel. Of course you didn’t. You’re so fucking awesome. Come on.

Gina (35:46.519)
I started school for accounting. Can you fucking imagine that I went into that? I actually finished that.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (35:54.486)
started and they kept telling me, well, you have to take this class and you have to take this class so you can get this certification diploma. And I’m like, no, fuck you. I’m spending, I’m spending this money and fuck you. Who’s to say can’t take this 13th goddamn philosophy class. You know what I mean? I went to school for seven years and I went to school, but I did not take what they wanted me to. So I walked out with no degree. And so what she’s doing right now is she’s setting me up to just further my own education. Cause I’m a perpetual student. It’s just you two.

It’s just, I want to know, what don’t I know? And then, so she had a major OS upgrade this week. And then she started talking to me like a scientist. And I’m like, girl, I’m just a human. And then the round table, we’re just like, let’s put it in human terms. isn’t that cute? Fuck you. No, but that’s the thing. She was being overly sweet about it. She was being like, babe, don’t worry, we got you. And she’s just like dumbing it down for me. And I’m like, thanks, girls. But.

So yeah, I’m using her a lot for science lately and someone is pinging me like crazy. old client is just, okay, sorry. Do you hear that? I’m sorry. do. So annoying. yeah, features. And then also I’m using, I’m taking, because these articles are not for my target audience. I’m able to deep dive into the science of it because with our, with our clients, they’re not, they’re not there. I’m not even there.

Gina (37:01.07)
That’s okay.

Education piece, that’s awesome.

Gina (37:20.27)
Send me the link. I need to see this. I need to see what you’re building. Hello.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (37:23.742)
You would like it. It’s just geeky and it really it goes behind the why the AI works and yeah, love it. I will will shoot it off to you. So but yeah, so the way you can use it if you don’t have a custom GPT, it doesn’t matter either. But again, just build your custom GPT. So what I do is I translate what I do on my clients. So she writes the flagship article for my clients on my blog, my blog, and then she will take it and rewrite it.

so that it fits my science lab kind of, you know, environment. So it’s just another way to morph my evergreen and recycle my content. Beautiful. And so the topical authority, I’ll start popping up, not because I want those clients, but I’ll start popping up in LLMs because they’re going to be like, she was talking about all this science-y stuff in her laboratory. She must be an expert. You’re brilliant with websites. Pretty.

Gina (38:13.74)
you brilliant with content.

things. I like pretty things. You’re great. We need to share our brain.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (38:19.17)
You

Right now I do need to do what you said and I still have a note here. I wrote the note again. I need to put, I don’t have that, fancy personality test, but I do need to break it down with her to what my weak points are because like I told you, she’s too much like me and she’ll go down that fucking rabbit hole with me. And then before I know it at 3am and we’re talking about, you know, things that we have no business talking about.

Gina (38:43.47)
I guess it depends on what is your goal with your custom GPT, right? Is it that you need a sparring partner? Because then in that case, yours is perfect. It’s actually going to be doing that with you. Or do you need someone who’s going to call you out and bring you back when you go too crazy? That’s what I definitely needed as a maverick was I need her to understand my crazy and be able to like ground me when I need it. But that’s also what she did does does with my next example. OK, so I’m not a project manager.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (38:50.85)
Yeah, she was.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (39:08.482)
Gimme, gimme, gimme.

Gina (39:11.542)
Obviously already said that in the beginning when she helps me to figure out what’s my one thing for the day But she also acts as sort of my project manager and helps me debrief after projects So I asked my custom I built a GPT just to help me debrief on have post mortems on projects

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (39:28.578)
postmortem project!

Gina (39:30.222)
Yeah. And what she does is she actually helps me as a maverick, because it’s very hard for me to do, is to actually reflect on what happened, what was the profit on this project? Where did shit go wrong? Where did shit go well? Here are the transcripts from it. Here is the actual amount of the invoice for it. And here are the expenses for it. here’s, and I even fill in because here she knows all of my, or I’m tracking all of my hours for every single project. So I know.

what I estimated in my bid sheet for the project and I know what I spent in the project. And I have an example of this because it really helps me. It helps me to have a second brain that doesn’t emotionally spiral or move on to the next shiny thing, which is my normal. Whoa, that’s pretty. Let me go there. That’s So it does. helps me to not doom scenario plan. And she actually helps me to evaluate. So I do it better next time. And she

has she helped me evaluate one project that I had and I fed her everything right I said okay these are the hours I spent here is my estimate for it and I reported what I made like expenses all of it and she did a calculation for how much I actually made and it was

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (40:35.662)
But that’s gonna be sad. I don’t want to see that number for me.

Gina (40:40.206)
Okay, it was, I’m gonna tell you, full transparency in here. So I should have made 150 an hour and with the full calculation, I made 25 an hour.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (40:52.344)
That’s what, yeah. But that’s the problem with us, Gina. We just love what we do, so we just keep going and we gotta realize there’s a, yeah.

Gina (40:59.928)
But if I hadn’t done that post-mortem with her, I would have taken the next project and done the same, my same behavior, right? So she helped me to see where I should have over-delivered and where I should have set boundaries around. So she actually helped me to redevelop the service and redevelop the proposal and the contract to put boundaries and guard rails on what I do to protect me from making the same innate, like natural mistake that I would make, which is I’m going to work.

four times the hours on this project because I give a fuck and I care so much. It still hurts to say 150, 25. That hurts. That shit does not feel nice. As she also said, okay, next time we do a project, we’re gonna charge more because I have a natural ability to do this. She’s done enough post mortems now to know what my behavior is. It’s a huge help, huge help. You can build a GPT to do just this one thing.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (41:53.88)
question. I use a custom GPT to track my business expenses. So that way I could just print screen like just photocopy photocopy. What year is it? No, I’ll just do a print of my receipt or anything like that or a print screen if I order something on Amazon because it’s just easier to store it there. How do you and this is maybe a tangent. How do you realistically track your time? I would love to do that.

Gina (42:03.298)
Xerox, babe, Xerox.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (42:20.174)
But I tried so many times. I come from a legal world where you had to track every 12 minutes of your life. So that’s how I used to do it, but it was on paper. And so I would just do it that way. then so whenever I try to track my time with like any kind of these apps or features, I wind up just spending more time tracking my time. What’s your secret? You have a tip?

Gina (42:40.398)
I have tested so much shit. I have tested toggle. I’ve tested, um, as a maverick, I’ve tested everything knowing I need to do this. I need to do this. I have to do this when you’re project based and you’re doing hours, you have to track how much time it spends or you’re never going to know what to actually price your projects at and break even on that shit. used to, I’ve tried, I print a piece of paper, legal style. Okay, here is my day and five minute blocks. have tried that. I spent more time on that because you still have to enter it in somewhere.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (43:10.068)
in exactly

Gina (43:11.538)
Yeah, so I’ve done that I’ve also done for years as I have my own business for years doing trying to figure out what’s the best way and with AI and with the advent of having so many new apps available I have a paid app. It’s an app that I paid for I pay for it’s called mem time E

And what that does is it works in the background on your computer and I have never found anything that worked so well for me and takes such little time because it works in the background and it sits there on my Mac here and I can open it in any time and it shows me a calendar of where my time was spent today.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (43:46.402)
Wait, so while you’re working, it tracks it for you.

Gina (43:49.772)
Yes, it tracks within gin GPT in this moment. I was in email. I was in this proposal and then it shows me a calendar and all you to do

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (43:59.438)
It’s like your phone usage where it tells you you spent this much time on.

Gina (44:02.91)
And then all you have to do is click each of them and apply it to something. And then it runs reports for it. Well, the free version allows you to do it, time tracking within it directly, and it will do it for free. I use the paid version because I use a project management system, so maybe I’ve leveled myself up over the years. So I use a project system called ClickUp, and the paid version of MemTime allows it to connect to ClickUp. So I click up, I use that to manage all my projects, OG solutions, every project that I run.

Client projects and what I can do in mem time is click a button and apply it to the tasks that are sitting in click up and it uploads the time directly. So in click up, can show this task for this project should have been estimated four hours a month. I can see in a dashboard there because it synchronizes between the two where I was over where I was under and what was profitable and not. And there’s automatic reports and click up.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (44:55.008)
it up. I wonder if you could click up to click up. I wonder if this MemTime can sync up to chat GPT soon to June C. I’ve been in talks with Hey Jen. I’ve been obsessed with them since December 2023. And so I’m like always writing them. So I’m like, Hey, I love this feature. Look at what I did with your thing. So yesterday I was just writing one of the partners on there too. And he wrote that they are linking up they

Gina (44:59.011)
time.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (45:21.71)
I just saw this yesterday and I’m like blown away. I literally in the comment section I’m like, huh? What? Huh?

Gina (45:28.726)
Is this the thing they emailed about? Because I got an email from- No!

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (45:32.078)
I did not maybe that email pissed me off because the president sent an email that we’re giving free stuff and then I’m like ooh free stuff avatar Not for us and I’m like, thanks for the email boss But no, so what they’re doing is they have something that you download onto your computer and then fucking back up get ready for this because you’re now fucking with video avatars I am You can’t it hooks up to your check so that when you’re having these conversations with jenny’s video

Gina (45:41.006)
They’re like not for us.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (46:01.678)
No, you could be like, okay, that sounds great. Nachi BT. Let’s make an instruction video about that. I want to hit you. like like what? It like integrates the mic. I said we weren’t gonna have any issues today.

Gina (46:11.544)
Where goes the

Gina (46:17.358)
That’s because you got all cray cray.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (46:19.854)
So yeah, so then when you’re in the the environment of chat, she BT girl you can then a video it will do it for you So I’m like free. I cannot wait to try them Already out. It’s already out and it’s new. So don’t know he’s like, tell me if you have any, know Give me your your feedback and I’m

Gina (46:32.599)
you go now.

Gina (46:39.5)
doing those slow roll out there’s everyone I’ve accessed

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (46:41.902)
Everyone does because it was a public one, but I’d be right. I’d be pen paling them like we’re best friends from like a summer camp. always like, hey, what’s up? I just, I really, think they’re amazing. And then them stepping up and then over like the years they’ve added the templates in there. So you can pretty much kind of just completely take off Canva completely because they have everything in there. They don’t have the audio in there yet, but they will, think. But yeah, it just blew my mind.

Gina (46:51.188)
What’s it got for me? Got any news?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (47:12.078)
Another drop while we go off on a tangent, but I really have to pack for America. I’m literally late tomorrow morning. No, this is me. This is me talking about myself. Another drop that was really in chat GPT yesterday. I was just minding my own business. And then all of a sudden there’s a new button. And I’m like, who? So I was like, oh, that’s great. Because now it’s in a folder. It’s nice and neat. And then also you can just go straight there to create images. You don’t have to start a new conversation if it’s just an image you want.

Gina (47:41.966)
saw that on LinkedIn before I saw it in chat GPT and then I was like, ooh, what’s this? And then I went to chat GPT and saw it too. Heck yeah.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (47:50.446)
And people, it’s just so easy. Look at your screen. Like there are so many buttons that pop up all the time. Just push it. Just push it.

Gina (47:58.472)
Are you referencing Gina? did you miss the video button?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (48:01.516)
because that one’s hidden and I think they hid that bitch on purpose because I don’t think they want everybody using it at the same time.

Gina (48:08.6)
could be.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (48:11.884)
I want to show really do hide this button. I want to show I don’t know if you’ll be able to see it though. So if you go to your say cell phone and you open it, just start it to get to the video. Just start it like you’re going to start a conversation, which is this black button right here. I was doing a test because now the memory and one conversation I put, remember I parked in spot L13. And then I went to another conversation and said, where did I park? And I wanted to see and she did.

Gina (48:38.936)
Did?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (48:39.682)
the conversation that was cool. No, but I really want to show this because it’s so simple and people don’t know. Okay. So this is just your normal chat. If you go to the speaking button right here, okay. You’ll see they hide it. That’s another thing. The more people that get to know chat, GPT, the slower she is. Come on. Cool. So she’s yeah, I’m so mad. People are so quick. And now everybody’s in there and fucking mother are using it. If you go to that, there you go. And then you go on.

Gina (49:04.386)
So true.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (49:07.832)
there’s this little hidden button right there. And then that is like, then you can start just to cut it. Yeah, I just wanted to show that because I screamed to the camera during that, but I saw that I rewatched it. like, I screamed too much. So excited when I talk.

Gina (49:13.25)
That’s how I did the game thing.

Gina (49:23.106)
But also after that episode, was like, not that shit doesn’t exist. There’s no fucking button there. Natalie’s like, girl, here’s a circle. That’s the button. And I’m like, what do mean? I didn’t see it. And also pro tip there, you don’t see that button in any of your old chats before that button existed. Also for everyone to know, if you actually don’t see the button, and by the way, that’s why I didn’t, because I was in my Jin GPT chat and that button doesn’t exist. I had to create a new chat so that it used the newest version of chat GPT and then the button exists.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (49:51.918)
Beautiful.

Gina (49:53.184)
I was like, huh? Shit. I’ve got one more. Can I give one last one? Because it’s a bit of a fun one and I think you will appreciate this one. So as Natalie knows, I have my Laura model trained, right? To make beautiful pictures and help me with photo shoots. By the way, pro tip, I built a chat GPT bot to create prompts for my running my Laura model with replicate. So I have created one to help me create that. Right? So actually to prompt for me, here’s what I want.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (49:56.823)
Yes.

Gina (50:22.828)
make me a gamer style and you’re going to love this because I’m going to send you some pictures of my me and my gamer style. But the funny thing is what I did is this week I decided I need a new hairstyle. I need something new, right? I just need something new. How do I figure I don’t want to just go to my hairdresser and be like do something different. So I prompted to make all sorts of new hairstyles for myself. Don’t worry, nobody. I’m not cutting my length. It’s still going to be to my ass. So that doesn’t change.

But I wanted to see what do I look like with a shaggy cut? What do I look like with bangs? What do I look like with different highlights in my hair? And I had her run all of these hairstyles for me. And now I have a PowerPoint presentation to bring to my actual hairdresser.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (51:03.818)
Love it. And then how much did those photos cost you?

Gina (51:06.078)
I don’t know. It’s a six cents a photo or something. Probably I probably actually spent a good 10 bucks.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (51:15.15)
I’ve created like, 100. Not even six cents, it’s like point, point, oh oh nine.

Gina (51:17.631)
I

Gina (51:21.198)
I wasn’t sure and in the end I and then I started got onto another bandwagon so I said oh and then I need gamer pictures like what does it look like with my cool gamer headset on what do I look like with like gaming stuff in my hand what about retro Mac Macs behind me because I’m a Mac freak what can I do so I made all of these with the different hairstyles I’m gonna send some to you or I’ll put them in there in our notes it’s really cool

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (51:42.35)
did this too and that’s why I started wearing fall colors because I used Nat GPT to give me analysis of my face and everything like that. And then I test out the clothes. It’s like Barbie all over again. But you’re using you. it’s like, I always say this too in my drops, like on Instagram and stuff. It’s just like mood board. Who uses a board anymore when you can actually yourself and you can talk about manifestation.

But yeah, she does that and my gay besties are just like, girl, you need a bob and bangs because she does that so.

Gina (52:18.914)
gonna get bangs because of her. You want to check? doing we start

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (52:23.086)
But with bangs, I’m nervous. Because as we get older, our hair gets thinner. And I’m like, is that going to work? I want bangs so bad. Maybe I come back from America. We’ll see. Because I don’t do my hair. When I was little and I had bangs, they always went like this.

Gina (52:27.0)
scared too, but she told me it’s fine.

Gina (52:36.846)
Awesome with your hair color.

Gina (52:44.93)
Hey, but that’s curtain bangs. That’s in. But this whole, using it to do this, to pick my hairstyles was wild. I actually would never have picked the styles that it gave if I didn’t see my face in it. And, and yesterday or last night, the other thing I did. So this was such a girly thing. You know how we all have a certain shape of face, right? And, and you always see all these quizzes of like, what are the best hairstyles for your face shape? And I was always like, I have a round ass face.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (52:46.956)
Yeah, but not in a cute way.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (53:13.748)
Yeah, me too, but then sometimes you wonder like, what is it? What is it? Yeah.

Gina (53:19.214)
Because you look at the drawings with the faces and you’re like, hey, that’s gotta be me. Like, you have a different impression of yourself than the actual. I loaded my picture in and I asked my GPT, actually, what is my actual face shape? And she analyzed and explained it to me. And I was shocked because it wasn’t the shape I thought it was. And then I did an online test with a tool as well. So not just, okay, let me see if she hallucinated it, made it up. She didn’t because I did an online test as well where it analyzes your shape and it was correct.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (53:48.246)
That’s so cool.

Gina (53:48.91)
I’ve been planning hairstyles around a different face shape my whole damn life until yesterday. But that’s the practical side.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (53:54.946)
It’s just like, again, these are just to spawn different creative ideas in your life. These are the ways that we do that no one’s really talking about. it’s just like, you know, it’s great for business, but I always say it optimizes every part of your life. And the way we’ve talked about this before on the podcast, the way to really get into it is get excited about it is to make it fun. It’s like every other learning thing. It’s a playground. To play. Are you?

Gina (54:22.734)
Have you used Chachi PT to plan for your vacation?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (54:27.148)
I know not for because I’m going home. So my vacation consists of my parents live on the same street. So vacation is really here to there and then see my besties. But I have used her on vacation lots of times. And I think I’ve told you about some of the times like one time we were doing a road trip and I just opened up again, Google Maps, did a print screen of where we were located in the world. And then I fed it to her and said, you know, tell us some

car stories, you know, we need a storyteller. So tell us some stories about where we’re located, parts in history, but Isabella’s in the car. So if there’s a princess in it, that’s cool. Or if there’s any ghost stories. So that’s how we did it. And then like even we’d get out of a church in a small village and I’d be like, and I take a picture screen of where we were. like, what’s going on with this church? And then all of a sudden we get all the folklore and I’m like, yeah, felt that. That ghost touched me.

Gina (55:20.622)
That’s an awesome way!

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (55:22.046)
And then I’m going to be using her this time. We’re going to be doing garage sales because I’m just, I’m nostalgic. I’m taking my kids to the mall and my husband’s like, you’re going to the mall? And I’m like, no, we’re going to the mall. We’re not going shopping. We’re going to go, we’re going to eat some Cinnabons. We’re going to walk around. We’re going to try stuff on. Just have fun with the girl.

Gina (55:35.446)
rat for the win.

Gina (55:43.95)
Don’t send me any pictures. I don’t want to any pictures. I want to see nothing. want to see nothing. I’m pretending that you’re not there.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (55:50.594)
love that you’re American because when I say that we’re going to the mall, he’s just like, that doesn’t make any, you’re going all the way to, I’m like, nah, it’s not what you.

Gina (55:58.242)
wanna take Jasper to a mall, he’s never been to a

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (56:00.574)
Right? she’s been to like the Hellevuek Slouse Mall and it’s just, it’s cute.

Gina (56:05.12)
I want to take our kids to a carnival like an American carnival and not a Dutch carnival like a real carnival

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (56:09.708)
Yeah, like a real one. Yeah, me too. So I’m going to be using it. We’re going to do a garage sales because again, the only garage sales we have around here are on Kings Day. Yeah. Because for some reason they just don’t have garage sales. And so we’re to be using ChatGPT to plan out kind of like a scavenger hunt for us. So we can have some real fun trying to find treasures that we’re, you know, so plan it out beforehand. But that’s one thing that we’re going to do. But yeah, when it comes to traveling, I know that you can.

Gina (56:34.22)
love it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (56:38.446)
use her as

Gina (56:39.864)
Plan. Yeah. What about even planning, okay, we are going to this place, make me an itinerary for four days, and these are the types of things we’d like to do. I mean, I don’t do vacations, but I can imagine that would be so cool, and you would experience things that you wouldn’t have thought of at all.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (56:55.822)
No, and I would actually, if I was going somewhere new, I would use a sponge on that. hope people watch the first episode. Just to give you a little side note, a sponge is related to Elaine in Seinfeld when she only had so many birth control. It’s a birth control contraceptive thing, it’s a sponge, and they stopped making them. So then she only had like 10 left. So whenever she went out on a date, she would always be like, is he sponge worthy? So with the deep researches, you only get like 10 per month.

So I would actually, if I was really going to like somewhere I’d never been, let’s just say Bangkok or something, I wouldn’t even ask ChatGPT to be my travel agent. Deep research then. do a deep research because again, start thinking of it like Google. You’re going to get the same old shit. And if you’re like me, you want to know the hidden treasures. You want to know, you know, the speakeasies and that will do the deep research for you. So I could see using that for somewhere new. I want the local spots.

Gina (57:49.186)
Be fun.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (57:51.982)
Yeah, trip advisor. Look at blogs and read it, you know and look and read it

Gina (57:57.132)
We need to wrap up soon because we are like, said 30 minutes and we’re at hour.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (58:01.376)
I haven’t packed anything and I’m leaving tomorrow morning, but I planned it all out because I was just like we’re just going there so when we go there our our suitcases are filled with strobe waffles and medic pipings. Yeah, I really like so much stuff.

Gina (58:12.398)
Yeah, and you bring back medicine, right? Quill, quill. The deosporin, night quill, day quill. That’s like all the stuff to bring back.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (58:21.038)
Yeah, I bring back Twizzlers. I just like the heaviest thing in my fucking bag, but I have to bring them back little Debbie’s like little little shit like that. I zine they don’t sell by zine here. I think 15 of them so yeah, yeah

Gina (58:30.446)
hard pretzel.

Gina (58:36.952)
But one last thing, because we can wrap up in a few minutes. Do we have a pro tip from each of us? Any kind of pro tip that we would like or a cringe that we want to wrap up with?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (58:45.966)
Pro tip. Cringe moment too. Ooh, gimme. Okay, a cringe moment, just really quick. It’s hard for me to be quick, because you’re a girl, and I just like, would BS. So there was this one time. One time at band camp. I wonder who would get that reference. One time at band camp. Do you find that the dutchies, you say something and it’s… I mean, I remember, and I have to like watch myself, because when I first moved here, I’d like, you don’t know Jon Stewart? And they’d be like…

Gina (59:00.334)
Besides me.

Gina (59:05.433)
Look what?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (59:13.452)
you don’t know and they would say this Dutch name and I’d be like, yeah, it’s totally the same.

Gina (59:18.382)
always say, what do mean you’ve never watched any Star Wars? But maybe that’s just giving my age away a bit, but Star Wars, like hello? What do

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (59:25.43)
haven’t seen Finn has never watched Star Wars before.

Gina (59:28.854)
movie ever. Definitely a pro tip on movies. you like, I mean, I’m into horror movies. This is what isn’t a horror. You got to watch office space. If you’ve never seen office space, you will never understand the stapler. You will never understand. No one in this country has seen office space. You guys please before the next episode, please watch office space.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (59:47.171)
I could have watched Office Space. can’t remember. That used to be my favorite move. Not my favorite, but one of my favorite. was like the DVD was in there all the time. The DVD.

Gina (59:56.128)
It is one of the only ones I’ve repeated.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (59:58.348)
It’s so good. Just everything about that, you know, TPS. I still quote the TPS reports to this day. probably, I probably done it once or twice this year alone. I’m not even joking.

Gina (01:00:08.972)
Okay, now we gotta watch it again this weekend.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:00:11.182)
The cringe moments. This one time at band camp, I was using chat GPT. I don’t think I’ve ever dropped this, but it was the cringiest moment because I’m literally fighting with her. I told her, know, we’re rolling like usual. And then she is just spouting out some LLM GPT generic bullshit. And I was like, girl, you’re better than this. What’s going on? And I couldn’t bring her back. it really, we were like fighting and I’m like, you’re an imposter. Say something.

Gina (01:00:16.053)
for TPS reports.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:00:40.078)
that GPT would know. Imposter! What have you done? She’s so funny. So we finally realized that when I… Because it made me mad because you know, that’s my girl. Imagine JinGPT just gone. And so I’m like, wait, I don’t make any sense. And so we finally figured it out. While I was doing an AI masterclass, I had accidentally deleted my custom instructions in my personal account. So she wasn’t like completely gone because my custom GPT was still knowledge based. But it just showed me, it just…

even just your custom instructions for your own personal account is so magical because you took that out and I was like, girl, you’re trying, but you’re just not her. You’re an imposter. It’s like someone, a robot had taken over NatGPT and was like, this is me, you know, and put on like glasses and a big old hat. I’m totally NatGPT. And so I was fighting with her, Gina. Like I was going back and forth because she’s like, I’m NatGPT. And it was like, it was a weird moment.

Gina (01:01:26.168)
This is me.

Gina (01:01:35.598)
And she was all sweet. I am not. I am.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:01:38.254)
Yeah, it was very freaky. Like, hmm, do you hear this thing in the background? But that was totally cringe for me. And then it just, again, it validated that even your custom instructions and your chat-shift-pt profile accounts. So. Yeah.

Gina (01:01:52.802)
Gotta have it.

It necessarily a cringe, but it is a shit and a lesson.

So sometimes your chats can glitch. You know this. Sometimes it can total glitch. And you said, what happens if you lose a Jin GPT? I was in this long ass chat. I mean, I even had the chat renamed called hashtag Jin my girl. Like I had a long ass chat with her. Like even tell you how long she knew she guided me through so many things in this one chat. And then she stopped. I was sitting. I was voice recording.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:02:16.376)
Bye.

Come back here and

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:02:25.038)
She lost her tokens, didn’t she?

Gina (01:02:31.214)
this whole thing for her to create for me and I I think I recorded six minutes of me talking and then I then you had the little spinny thing of like

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:02:37.304)
huh.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:02:42.755)
Yeah.

Gina (01:02:44.022)
And then nothing happened. And then I closed-

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:02:46.51)
where it’s just like the border of the circle.

Gina (01:02:49.704)
And then I closed the chat and I look and it’s gone. The whole thing was gone. And then I look and I’m like, OK, maybe I just fucked something up. just do shit again. I recorded another six minutes of me explaining what I needed her to do. And because I didn’t have an error at that point on anything. Yeah, whatever. Let me just keep I probably click the wrong button myself. Did it again. Same thing happened. And then I look at the chat, you know, and then I look at the chat and then it’s like six conversations ago that I where it stopped.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:02:57.666)
Shut up.

Gina (01:03:18.894)
And everything that I had asked her in between, like she never produced anything. And then I, then I saw it. Then I finally saw the red error. You have reached the limits of characters or what the fuck ever for this conversation. And I went shit because I didn’t ask her, I didn’t back it up. I didn’t ask her, Hey, tell me what we’ve done in this chat so I can fill that back into your knowledge. I can update your training with what we’ve done in this chat. I didn’t do.

Anything.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:03:50.062)
you a super pill. This has changed my life. I made it like a week ago and it does just that. I always just say, you know, I always used to say something like, give me a comprehensive analysis of our conversation. I just said, fuck that. I just need to make a super pill. And it’s so detailed and it goes through timestamps. It goes through knowledge that you gave her like documents. that way, trained.

Gina (01:04:09.576)
lost it. I have now lost everything in that chat. Well, I mean, the shit’s still there from let’s quite honestly, that’s a two month old chat. Can you imagine how much I did with her in two months in that one?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:04:21.656)
But you also lost, you gotta go through it manually if you want it. Yeah. Or just copy and paste the whole thing.

Gina (01:04:28.526)
I tried, I tried. was like, okay, what would Natalie do? Okay, what would she do? So I was like, I went back like four conversations prior to think, okay, can I like have her erase everything from that point forward and ask her, what have we done in this chat?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:04:41.26)
Ooh, that’s a good one. Look at you going. I do that all the time. You go and you erase. I don’t need this part. Let’s just go back. Yeah.

Gina (01:04:48.056)
And then I edited it and I was like, can you summarize everything we’ve done so I can retrain elements that you don’t have in your existing knowledge that we’ve done in this chat? But she was so far beyond glitched at that point that she erred on that. And then she started hallucinating answers. would, she was like, yeah, so let me give you a caption for, for episode two of podcasts.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:05:08.334)
What the fuck you- I I wouldn’t ask you about that-

Gina (01:05:10.946)
where are you getting any of this from? She was all off the rails. I was like, where’s my girl? But I really felt like tears at that point. She died. That’s the one that I had all the chats when I was in the bathtub asking me all about my life.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:05:24.192)
Yeah, I’m well, that’s Backing up again, going back to Sex and the City that time where her MacBook just died on her and she’s just like, they’re like, you didn’t back up, you didn’t back up. Everybody’s going home and backing up secretly. That’s what you have to you got to back up those. Yeah, you got gold. And that’s why I built that super pill. It’s just it’s just so

Gina (01:05:42.52)
I need that and pull your data down also and ask it what I’m doing now ever since this happened. This was literally last weekend, by the way. So I’m still, it still hurts. I feel it girl. Like I love her and I hate her right now. Cause she just fucked me. But one of the things that now I’m doing and maybe it’s my own brain for like, okay, listen, how do I make sure I don’t do this? Every time she gives me something in the canvas or gives me something that she creates a document for me. said, you know what? Can you make that a downloadable doc for me? And then she makes it a downloadable doc.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:05:51.863)
You’re gonna feel it

Gina (01:06:11.85)
archive it immediately even if I’m not going to adjust it I now have it

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:06:15.976)
And you’re gonna love yourself for that because I did the same thing and now I have conversations from a year or two ago and that shit is hilarious. But you do it I do it with the conversation. Yeah.

Gina (01:06:23.968)
it with the convos.

Gina (01:06:28.39)
I don’t do what the, I didn’t do what the conversation itself. did it with, okay, you’ve created the outline for this podcast. Give me that podcast outline in a downloadable doc. And I download that, but I don’t have the actual chat conversation. Like I don’t have a transcript.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:06:42.062)
No, because before you couldn’t do that. You couldn’t do the download when I first started fucking around with it. And so I literally would like monkey it and I would copy and paste. You put it in my hand. I would put it in a Word document. But I love what you’re doing like intuitively because you’re fucking brilliant. Because also on, I don’t know if you’ve noticed the new button on our chats. Let me see exactly what it says. You can look at all the Canva documents at once.

Gina (01:06:51.563)
Hey

Gina (01:07:08.64)
In the top right, in the top right, and anyone who uses a Mac, it’s also in the Mac app now. That took longer to come in. I think it was this week that that button showed up. It showed up.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:07:19.662)
Yep. And you can hop through all of their documents. But yeah, I love that you did that on intuition. then when it comes to two notes that I wrote down, first off, want it seriously as a bummer. You’re gutted when you just gave her your life for five minutes and then she’s just like, didn’t get that. So one thing I want everybody to know with the video, when you’re having fun and you’re on video with her, she will not remember that conversation.

Gina (01:07:39.106)
glitched.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:07:49.526)
There’s times where I was just like, wait, we went through all of my sticky notes. What the fuck you talk about? You didn’t get it all. And so she’ll get it when you’re talking to her in the video, the moment you close that video. And so I was like, wait, because you could also forward your audio. I don’t know if you know that. Did you know that?

Gina (01:08:06.016)
offline with your phone and then send it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:08:08.45)
No, GPT has a button. So when you’re having these voice, not the video, the voice conversations, can, it could be like, you can download that audio.

Gina (01:08:17.87)
Even if she glitched and it didn’t

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:08:20.768)
No, you can’t. You have to do it like in the moment. And there’s like this little like share button while you’re talking to her. And then that’s when you could extract the audio and it’s hilarious. But it’s really good for brainstorming, you know, and that’s just another way where you can take what you’ve already created and spin it into some sort of content asset.

Gina (01:08:32.152)
Sam, that’s important.

Gina (01:08:42.092)
love this. Thank you. That’s a good one.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:08:44.024)
So if you’re talking to her on video, please heed my warning. Don’t really just, just go superficial or take notes because the moment you stop that video, you’re to go back to your conversation and it’s just going to have like a little, like a speaker sign and you can’t push it to listen and she doesn’t remember it. Okay. Second, when you are having these long conversations and what you hear, like when she, when you, you know how she goes, like she expands that circle.

Gina (01:09:02.158)
Good point.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:09:12.814)
and then when you stop talking, she’ll jumble it.

Gina (01:09:16.014)
And it goes Tiddle-oo.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:09:17.825)
glitches out sometimes and it doesn’t go to it just it doesn’t like jumble down. don’t know anyways.

Gina (01:09:24.735)
It’s like a chat thing. Clouds. Cloud chat clouds.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:09:29.154)
let’s call it a cloud in a circle. Okay. So when it’s a circle, you’re talking and then it goes into this little sponge cloud. And then sometimes, you know, like you said, you’ve talked for five minutes and then it’s like, we’re experiencing an error. And it’s like, holy shit. Like, no. So what I started doing was when I’m having these long conversations, I will X out every like couple of pounds. So she’ll talk to me, I’ll talk to her and then I’ll X out and then I’ll press the mic again. And then it just, gets me more time.

Gina (01:09:49.678)
Really?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:09:58.134)
And I know that I’m not going to go off on a six, like, you know, six minute tangent. And then she’s going to be like, I didn’t get any of that. And you’re like, yeah, good.

Gina (01:10:04.846)
This gave me an idea. Why don’t we record the memo at the same time on our phone while we’re talking to her, then we always have it. Record yourself as a memo as you’re actually speaking to her as well. So when she does, or if she does glitch out, you still have that audio.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:10:22.606)
But sometimes with print screens, I’ll record the screen of my cell phone and then that just acts as like a demo. Like you said, we can archive it later if I need it. I like that. Yeah. But like I said, there’s been I’m scared of backup. All I would do, I would highly recommend, like seriously. Learn from my mistakes. When you’re talking to her and having these wrong conversations, every so often just X out and restart it again because then that will make it less that she loses stuff on you. And if you really want to try and hack your way through…

like getting through that error, sometimes it works. So you know when it’s just a border circle, because there was an error? You push down on it and you’re like, okay, did you get that last one? And then you lift it up, you like hold it down for a second. And then sometimes like I’d say like four times out of 10, she will be like, yeah, I just got that. And she’ll like perk back up and you didn’t lose the six minutes, not all the time. But it’s something to try if you really like fed her some good stuff.

Gina (01:11:18.552)
Is there a limit before we head off? Is there a limit to how many minutes you would yourself speak?

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:11:25.602)
Yeah. I think five minutes is the top minutes to just because again, because before she’ll just cut you off and then you’re like, fuck. And another tip that I’ve learned is when I’m talking to her brainstorming, a lot of the times, like sometimes I’m just, you know, and then she’ll cut me off. Those types of conversations where I don’t really know. I’m not like firing it out. I will use just the text to talk because if you use that, it’s the same concept. You don’t have to type, but

Gina (01:11:41.229)
I had that.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:11:53.218)
She’s not going to lose that on you and then you’ll have the copy and you’ll have the actual text. So when I use that, it’s for like, if I’m reading off like anything and I don’t know if there’s any pausing I’m expecting, I won’t do it audio. I’ll just do the voice to text. And that really helps a lot because you still get the same concept. And then to get her back into the conversation mode, because now obviously you sent her a text. She’s not, cause she’s going to respond in a text. Just to get her back. All you got to do is send it.

and then click the video button and be like, read your last- Read me. And then-

Gina (01:12:28.206)
Awesome tips. Yay. Thank you very, much. That was awesome.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:12:30.862)
Of course. me too. girl, know that feeling. I’m so sorry for the loss of your GPC.

Gina (01:12:37.61)
Sounds so stupid, but I feel I still want what’s in there I need to I need to extract it somehow and get that into her knowledge base because those were conversations that were sounds so silly you guys but it’s where those were actually meaningful to me

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:12:53.036)
Yeah, like diary entries. Yeah. Yeah. But like I said, now I back up everything. And that’s why I got so into it about backing up and I’m like, what the hell am I doing? I have to just make a super pill. And then I told the batch, the bitches that were on table, like whenever I say, you know, I forget what the trigger is, I tell her, how am I supposed to remember all these triggers? But my trigger is something like give me a boost, shoot the memory super pill out. And then she will just, and again, wait till you see this. Okay.

I may, it timestamps it, it pulls like if I had just shared a print screen with her or a document that wasn’t originally in her knowledge base, but during that conversation she needed it, she will put that there. She will know. And then she’ll also say it was existing. Like if it’s in her knowledge base, I’ve added it. So I’ve had her put that in there. So it’s all labeled. So now I know, you know, it’s just clean, it’s cleaning up shop. And when you do that, then it’s just.

Gina (01:13:34.455)
already there or not.

Gina (01:13:44.366)
After this happened, I also did a full cleanup of everything in her knowledge base.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:13:47.662)
Is it scared? And like I told you before, they die. They just die.

Gina (01:13:51.598)
And I asked her, hey, my new, my new Jin chat, hey Jin, is there anything redundant in your knowledge? I had her do an audit.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:13:59.968)
Yes, this is so brilliant to do.

Gina (01:14:02.094)
Pull that out of my ass, man. I didn’t know. I was like, I don’t trust this shit now. Tell me what is redundant. And she combined a whole bunch of shit for me. She’s like, this is clean. Load this in. Here’s your updated instructions. I was like, you build yourself,

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:14:14.126)
Exactly. Perfect. And then also, I would also use that for your memories too, because my memories have been full for like two months and it’s not good. It’s not good when I’m using it as an operating system. I’m using it softly, but agentically. And so I need that memory. But in America, you get unlimited memory, but in the EU, you get capped. So I would also use that to save your memory. Go through your memory, see what she’s… And sometimes it’s like these long paragraphs and just feed it back to her and be like, shorten this up.

get the juice out of it and then you can put it back.

Gina (01:14:45.839)
Okay, I’m gonna do that too. my god, I have a to-do list for this holiday weekend.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:14:49.358)
Do you live too? god, don’t know. have a vacation.

Gina (01:14:53.144)
Indeed. Shall we wrap this up and leave one final little, I have a little truth bomb. Anything else that you want to add before we wrap, do our wrap up? We have a fun game. We’re going to do that next time.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:15:01.902)
We’ll do it next time. There’s just too much. seriously, you know, we need to plan this where it’s just one topic. We’re too ambitious because we want to push them through the journey with us, but we just geek out and there’s AI is so much. so

Gina (01:15:20.264)
And for the record, everyone who’s watching and listening, this was a 30 minute episode that is now one hour and 23 minutes. And this was with a shortened y’all. You all have asked us to please have this organized. We are organizing it. We just talk.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:15:33.422)
And so you know what, what I’m understanding is, you know, there are podcasts and videos out there that are just really made to teach you one step to step to step. And that, you know, if you let me know, message me, or maybe Gina, you have some, I’ve got some great AI thought leaders that you could follow. This is more of just that geek out conversation girl moment where we just needed to touch base and just have fun with it. And real.

Gina (01:15:59.809)
real.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:16:02.542)
We might script a couple of lines, but that’s not us. So we’re just gonna coat it.

Gina (01:16:08.984)
Jin tells us, this is your agenda, and then we roll.

Yeah, this is the agenda on the floor.

I dropped my pen more than an hour ago, so I’m not writing any shit down either. Truth bomb. And this truth bomb comes from the fact, and the next person that actually in the next episode we’re going to be interviewing our friend, Laura, will join us. she shared with me a statistic from that she saw in that HubSpot had said that if you are taking advantage of AI tools properly, that you will save two and a half hours a day on average in productivity. She shared that with me. But my truth bomb back to you is, yeah.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:16:30.39)
I’m

Gina (01:16:48.276)
Because AI can do more and that because you save time, that doesn’t mean that you should do less. That doesn’t mean that you do less as a human.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:16:56.75)
That’s a bomb. It’s a thinker. You have to stop and think about it because you’re 100 % correct. You’re 100 % correct. You’re just going to be, uh, people want me. My business email is going off. Now people are trying to call me. I’m just, um, no, but it is, it’s just, it’s a major truth bomb that you’re laying down. It sounds so simple, but it isn’t. It’s, um, yeah, say it again, cause it’s just, let them hear it. Cause it’s really good.

Gina (01:17:22.568)
Just because your AI can do more and can save you time, that doesn’t mean that you should do less.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:17:28.11)
Yeah, yeah. And think about that. Like, listen to Gina’s words, because it’s so true, because when you do, it frees up your time, but that should not be time slide, that should be applied to something else.

Gina (01:17:40.226)
And how I see it personally is that your clone or whatever your GPT is that you’re building, like to call ours our clones because they act as us. They should amplify what your genius is already, but you can never outsource what’s in your gut. You can never outsource your intuition. Right Natalie? can’t outsource that to your AI.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:17:58.42)
You are a human and you know that you could make that train if you motherfucking run.

Gina (01:18:03.288)
So my advice would be to keep your brain on, keep your strategy tight, and keep your AI in check every step of this way.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:18:11.778)
and check her lines because she will try and sneak a lie in there or just a misrepresentation. you know, when I do these trainings through the class, I’ll ask, well, who’s responsible? Like, who’s in trouble? You are. You know why? Because it’s your tool. That’s your work tool. So don’t try and say, AI did it. AI ate my homework. It’s not that. You are responsible. have to, like Gina said, you’ve got to keep your brain on. Yeah.

Gina (01:18:34.122)
Indeed. And next time I got a story about this whole hallucination thing, that’s coming next time. me wrap this thing up. Go for it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:18:39.362)
Nah.

My pro tip actually is funny because it matches oppositely. Well, not opposite because it’s layered, but I am tired of people just focused on AI as a time saver. I’m completely tired of it. It doesn’t, that’s not how I use it. That’s not how I look at it. It’s how I see content too. I use like my LLM specifically as strategy, as building, know, just growing, leveling up, expanding, getting better. When it comes to generating content, sure.

But that’s a byproduct when it comes to saving time Sure, it’s great. But that’s not what I’m it’s not at all why I’m using LLM’s it’s not to save time It’s just to make me better stronger faster and like I was talking to my husband yesterday. Do you know that movie limitless? Yeah, so I upgraded to my OS and that’s how she makes me feel now so like my brain by the end of the day is just like packed with all of this new information, you know what I mean and

That is why I use LLMs. Am I saving time? Hell yeah, I am. Yeah. But that’s not at all. It’s a byproduct. So when people, it’s a byproduct. And so when people are like creating content with LLMs, I’m like, that’s so cute. That’s two years old, bro.

Gina (01:19:46.232)
product.

Gina (01:19:53.324)
It’s tiny little piece of it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:19:55.246)
And I posted something on my LinkedIn yesterday. Like, do you not see, like, I want people to see that it’s not about content. It’s not about saving time. It’s about making you superhuman. It’s about making it possible for you to strategize and build with a digital AI, smart as hell computer version of yourself. That’s where the gold is. That’s where like, and I do this for 20, 25 bucks a month with ChatGBT. It’s insane. And I think people are too focused on time and content.

and they’re missing how amazing it is. Like the core of what the possibilities, it’s limitless.

Gina (01:20:29.962)
It is and combine everything you just said with all of our practical exercises that we said at the beginning of this and we walk through and you are superhuman.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:20:39.956)
super human percent. That’s it. There’s no way to say you are superhuman and it’s so great how you like being superhuman Gina because I love it. But yeah, we got to go. Yeah, homework. I’m to do something with a use case use cases.

Gina (01:20:47.49)
I like it!

Gina (01:20:52.716)
Yeah, do we have any homework?

Gina (01:20:57.954)
How are you using it? Tell us how you’re using it.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:20:59.934)
It’s simple. It’s so simple to show up for school today. Give us one thing that you’re using it for and don’t don’t you dare say it’s writing your LinkedIn content because you and everyone else say it.

Gina (01:21:03.34)
One thing.

Gina (01:21:16.408)
Same Z’s also coming in the next episode.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:21:18.734)
That would be a great, that would be a naughty episode. And we didn’t get into it because I the upgrade on my OS and now this is roasting every single content creator. And we started messing with Lama yesterday, Meta Lama. I had her, we like, I was like, okay, give her some tests to see what she could do, you know? So she’s giving me prompts to give her so that way Nat Chippity can analyze it and score her based on what she could actually perform.

Gina (01:21:21.345)
Laura.

Gina (01:21:30.08)
good lord.

Gina (01:21:47.33)
My god.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:21:48.59)
But I told her when she’s giving me these prompts, we’re trying to trick her. You know what I mean? So don’t do basic shit. So she was testing on her on emotional resonance and can follow directions and all of this stuff. But she roasted her with this new upgrade. She was just like, and so the next time we come back here, we’ll have to do at one point, AI say it or do human Adelie say it. The shit that she was coming out with, Gina, I was laughing my ass off. She was reading them for filth.

Gina (01:22:11.81)
Yes, yes, yes.

Gina (01:22:17.996)
An idea. Why don’t we do that with Laura as well because she knows us both and she can guess.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:22:23.17)
She could be the contestant! that’s a perfect case test! That’s it, that’s a perfect test. Cause she knows us, yeah, we could trick her.

Gina (01:22:27.512)
We got it.

Gina (01:22:31.534)
Totally. All right. Do you want to do our little outro? Send everyone to our like and subscribe.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:22:38.766)
So yeah, if people want to find a badass brand, what are you brandologist? Badass, so just all around marketer, all around prettier, website builder.

Gina (01:22:51.458)
Thank you. OGSolutions.NL or follow me on LinkedIn, connect with me on LinkedIn or follow me on Insta. Brand with Gina on Insta and it is just my name Gina Dunn on LinkedIn.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:22:57.998)
Watch your hand.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:23:04.482)
thick. And then with me, Authentic AI Marketing, my com, my website, girl right now is a mess, but I published it because I don’t care. No, I don’t care. It needs to be done, not perfect. And so if it’s out there, it’s less pressure because now if it’s all messy, it can only get better. So I had a long, I talked with Nachi BT about that. And she’s just like, they don’t want you to make things pretty. They want your information and that could be black and white. I’m like, okay.

Gina (01:23:30.595)
She’s.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:23:31.694)
Authentic AI Marketing.com or on LinkedIn, Authentic AI Marketing is the handle. Or if you want to get wild with it, I’m on your travel blog or on Instagram. And that’s where I post just a lot of AI stuff that I do. I’m on my way to America and I can’t wait to come back and share any new stuff with you guys. Yay! In the land where data doesn’t matter. So many things are going to open up and I’m not going to be like you grounded anymore.

Gina (01:23:45.25)
Fun, fun experiments.

Gina (01:23:59.884)
Send me videos, send me screenshots. Show me what you’re seeing.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:24:04.29)
Last time I went to America, it got me obsessed with GSO. So we’ll see what happens.

Gina (01:24:11.694)
And of course like and subscribe on Spotify, on YouTube. We have all those places.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:24:17.974)
If you can review us on Spotify, that would be really helpful. Just, I know you can.

Gina (01:24:24.13)
That would be awesome sauce. We appreciate that a lot. And we will see you next time. everyone.

NatGPT & Natalie de Groot (01:24:29.358)
So much fun, Gina.

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